year of make

[enrico]

I have a general question for the connoisseurs, as I'm only a newcomer into the NTV world. Also, my English is poor so I beg your pardon if I'll use some improper terms.
Here it is: I recently purchased an NTV whose vendor told it was a 1990; when at home, reading the papers accurately I spot a license-plate recording dated 1989 (a relabelling of the vehicle coming from "Escursionisti Esteri" licensing, a kind of licence used by people living abroad for a regular period every year, more or less...).
So now I actually woonder if my motorcycle was built in 1989 or 1990. A useless question ? Not so: as far as Italian law accord some privileges to bikes older than 20 (lower tax, lower insurance, unrestricted circulation limits for Euro 0 in pollution limited areas).
I explored Honda motor internet sites, both the Italian one than Japanese, but didn't find any help.
Question is:
- oes anybody know some "Honda Register" where to check the year of make, given the VIN (mine is 2001145) ?

Any answer would be wellcome, thank you folks.
Enrico

[McF]

Hi Enrico
do not fault your english - it's better than mine and far better than my italiano. ;D

I'm away from home at present, but can take a look in my Haynes manual when I'm home (this weekend). If I recall correctly, you can tell easier with the engine number (assuming the engine is original).

There is plenty of information out there, I'll look for you when I can, unless someone is able to give the information quicker than I can.

[buzzin]

Just to answer your question on the bars:
The NTV 650/600* Revere had the seperate bars (like you have). During 1993 they stopped calling it the Revere, and modified the bike on some minor points.
One of those was the handlebars.
From that point on the bike was called NTV 650 (without the Revere part) and had a 'normal' tubular bar.

*in the UK they had a 600 Revere, over here a 650 Revere (NL), I don't know about Italy

So the bars don't help to determine '89 or '90, sorry.

this is what the haynes manual says (keep in mind, these are UK codes...so Revere 600, not 650):
Dates of availability Model code Frame No. Engine No.
Feb '88 to Oct '88 600 J PC22-2000002 to 2000519 PC22E-2000002 to 2000520
Oct '88 to Apr '91 600 K PC22-2100001 to 2101405 PC22E-2100001 to 2101408
Apr '91 to Jan '93 600 M PC22-2300002 to 2300271 PC22E-2300002 to 2300271
Dec '92 to Jan '95 650 P RC33-2400924 onward RC33E-2400956 onward
Jan '95 to Nov '95 650 S RC33-2500200 onward RC33E-2500203 onward
Nov '95 on 650 T RC33A*-TM000001 onward RC33E-2600001 onward '
Note:The asterisk (*) in the frame number of the 650 T represents a number indicating the machine's power output.

My '93 Revere 650 has a framenumber starting with RC33, so that only mean it's a 650, not a 600.
I hope all this helps a bit...

[enrico]

mmmm, thank you very much but I'm afraid the British numbering is not helpful to decript my VIN: her this bike started its commercial life as "Honda Revere" and then turned to the "Honda NTV" marks on the tank's sides, but both versions were 650 cc. We never had a 600 Revere nor a 600 NTV here. Mine is marked "Revere", it's 650 cc, and dates back AT LEAST to 1990 (maybe 1989). Frame label and papers show "RC33". BEing 2001145 it should belong to the first of your lines (Feb '88 to Oct '88 600 J PC22-2000002 to 2000519 PC22E-2000002 to 2000520) but it's not a 600 cc. I didn't look at the engine numbers, I will.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? I'll go for a deeper investigation....
Thanks anyway.

[buzzin]

Strange thing is....mine has a rather odd number, (RC33U 7MM2000xx) and that's a 1993 one...so I have no idea how the numbers work anymore.... (I just looked it up)

On the 650/600 note: an NTV is (as far as I know) always a 650. Only in certain parts of the world the Revere was different.
In the Netherlands it was 650, and from what I understand, so was it in Italy.
In the UK though the Revere was a 600.

The one thing I am wondering: Can you ask a official registration office when it was first entered?

Just something I came across trying to help:
www.hondaitalia.com/moto/uff_stampa/media/pdf/ntv650/ntv650v.pdf (it's italian....but not that hard to understand for me)

[buzzin]

Looking at this site: www.bike-parts.fr/
It says this: NTV 650 NTV650J ITALIA 1988 RC33 RC33 2000010 2001205
So it would seem it's from 1988 even

On this same site it seems to indicate my bike is australian...and from 1991. Which seems impossible .... as it's Dutch and from 1993

[ntvnick]

Sorry that I haven't been around for a while. I put these details up in an earlier post.

growell.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=tech&action=display&thread=213

[enrico]

TO: buzzin
Yes I already had a look at the Honda Italia site but there wasn't any help in VIN history;
TO: ntvnick
that VIN scheme is great but unfortunaltely there's NO WAY to make it match with the label on my frame.... seems the bike comes from a different planet... !
TO: buzzin (again)
maybe your clue in the French site (bike-parts.fr) was good ! I just had a look at it and seems you're completely right: all the clues lend to the 1988 as construction year of my bike: both frame n° and (almost...) engine n° !!!
More clues: the label on my frame has some French words on it: "Cylindree" and "Modéle" and "P.V.A. 88/6503"..... So maybe my old iron was first sold in France an then imported to Italy.... as the papers partially reveals ("relicensed from Escursionisti Esteri")....
Hey friends, thank you all for your precious help; now I must contact the seller and tell him he was wrong when selling me a 1990 motorcycle !

Début n° châssis : 2000038
Fin n° châssis : 2002754 (MINE IS: 2001045)
Début n° moteur : 2000048
Fin n° moteur : 2002777 (MINE IS: 2006347 and here comes a little new mystery.... let's go on in lookin for clues men..... !)

[buzzin]

Well, perhaps the engine has been replaced with a newer one?
That would explain the 'old' frame and the 'new' engine....

[enrico]

Buzzin wrote: "Well, perhaps the engine has been replaced with a newer one?
That would explain the 'old' frame and the 'new' engine.... "
Sorry Buzzin, that engine number was only my mistake in writing it on a piece of paper; correct engine n° is 2001167, which matches the range "from 2000048 to 2002777" of the French site site: www.bike-parts.fr for: NTV 650 NTV650J ITALIA 1988 RC33

Thank you anyway, and bye.
enrico

[hubcap]

You should be able to find out what year your bike was manufactured by calling your local Honda dealer, they can search it on the frame number.

I had to do that a while ago with my boss's Honda XLR600.