rusty
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Post by rusty on Jul 26, 2008 13:40:19 GMT -5
I have picked up a set of H&B panniers made in 1993, but marked up as Honda on the sides and latches and frames (supposed to fit NTV 650) but have been slightly modified, this is not a problem as I can reinstate to correct as long as I know what goes where.  Anyone got a picture of frames and fitting instructions or can give guidance on fitting? Need to get them fitted asap |
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Post by norfolknchance on Jul 29, 2008 11:56:35 GMT -5
are they round tubular steel frame that go on the side of the bike & look somit like the frame work on mine  |
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micawber
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Post by micawber on Jul 29, 2008 12:22:10 GMT -5
Hi Rusty.
A year or two ago I fitted a set of H&B pannier frames to a Yamaha 600 Diversion which already had a Givi monorack fitted. When I bought my NTV I adapted the frames to fit: funnily enough this also has a Givi monorack fitted. On the Diversion I was able to do it because the H&B pannier frames and rack are separate items and not a unit; probably the same applies to the NTV.
Anyway, what you should have are a left hand pannier frame, a right hand pannier frame, some sort of connecting bar which joins them together at the rear, and a number of nuts, bolts, and spacers. Each pannier frame should have an extension welded to the bottom front corner which reaches the the passenger footpeg mounting, some sort of welded bracket from the top rail which will line up with the bike frame tube under the front end of the rear bodywork, a rear extension with two holes in for the indicators, and welded brackets near the bottom rear to take the bolts for the rear connecting bar.
I hope that I am making myself clear, as I am still struggling with the problem of sending pictures. If I could send you some pictures, it would be clearer.
You should be able to assemble it loosely off the bike to get some idea of where everything goes.
The most difficult job, I found, was in disconnecting the indicators. They unbolted easily enough from my own bike even after 15 years of road crud coating the inside of the mudguards but you have to disconnect the wires to feed them through the pannier frame mounting holes. In my case I had to use some spare Diversion indicators as my rear extension has a one hole mounting. The connectors for the Honda indicators are under the front of the right hand rear bodywork panel. You should be able to get at them without actually taking it off. The right hand indicator wires are fairly short and can be wiggled through: the left hand ones are longer and can be a struggle as they are well hidden and cross over behind the light unit. Your set of parts might include some extension wires for these, or you might find that the leads are long enough if you re route them when you put them back after threading them through. In the meantime you need to put them aside somewhere safe.
I got away with just removing the front side panels, but you might prefer to remove your rear ones too. Otherwise put some cloths over your panels to avoid scratching.
Fitting. This will probably be the simplest part.
There is a convenient hole in the rear of the passenger footrest hanger which is the logical place for the long front extension to go -try one side at a time. As I already had a Givi monorack fitted to both bikes, I found that the original top fitting used the same mounting hole as the Givi monorack on the Diversion. On the NTV there is no hole at this point but the Monorack used a U shaped piece of metal with bolt holes which fitted over the frame tube near the front of the rear bodywork. I was able to use a longer bolt to attach my pannier frame in the same place. (The U shape is fitted with the bolt holes under the frame tube). I am assuming that H&B used a similar set up, or if the welded bracket on yours is longer or in a different place, the fixing point will become obvious. There may be an additional fixing point further back, but mine did not have one.
With the Pannier frames now loosely fitted, you should be able to see where the rear cross over bar fits. If you fit it loosely (mine was a shallow "H" shape) there should be 2 bolts each side, which stops the frames twisting relative to each other. There should be two holes in the cross bar itself, which I suspect may line up with existing holes in the rear mudguard. My bike has a rear mudguard extender, which fits to existing holes provided by Mr Honda, and this may be where the cross bar fits. Otherwise, having got the pannier frames to fit the way you want them to, you may need to drill some holes in the plastic mudguard. It won't take much strain, but adds a little rigidity.
So, tighten up all bolts, refit indicators, test them out, refit panels, and try it for size. My instructions came in German only, so there was a lot of trial and error. If anything rubs on the bodywork you might have to experiment with spacers etc, and keep an eye on bolt tightness until you have done a few miles and it has all settled down. I found mine to be very solid. I fitted budget Moto Detail mounting plates and 42L panniers to mine (made by Shad) but eventually I would like to get a set of H&B panniers to do it justice.
I hope this helps,
All the best,
Micawber.
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Post by rusty on Jul 31, 2008 2:52:59 GMT -5
Gents, Thanks for the advice, I think I have figured it out, the frames have been butchered, but now I have a clue of where to mount to. By the way, the boxes are made by Hepco, but are marked up as Honda on the front and on the warning labels inside  , they were marketed by Honda as genuine accessories in the 90,s Do you have a shot of the other side how it goues over /behind the exhaust. |
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Post by norfolknchance on Jul 31, 2008 6:23:18 GMT -5
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, they were marketed by Honda as genuine accessories in the 90,s